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Help Please...

What are your thoughts:

I was dating a man for 2.5 months, (it was totally DWD, he was the one pursuing me, asking me out, phoning, etc.), we had talked about us dating each other exclusively at around the one month mark - he still had his profile up on the dating site we met on and I didn't say anything about it at that time. (In the future when a man discusses exclusivity with me I will ask him for his specific definition and how the dating profiles [if we met online] play into that.)

At the 2.5 month mark he moved it up to the "boyfriend girlfriend" level and we talked about that. He said since we were spending so much time together (going out twice a week and he would call me every night we weren't on a date) that it made sense we were bf & gf.

Ok that sounded great to me! And he was the one who initiated that conversation (at dinner), so great!

He still had his profile up on the dating site, I had hidden mine.

4 days after that dinner date when he brought up us being "bf & gf" I asked him, on the phone, why he still had his online dating profile up.

I prefaced the convo by stating that I wasn't feeling good about something and I wanted his help to clarify things.

I DO acknowledge that I made some mistakes in that convo:
The timing was bad (late at night).
It would have been better to speak in person.
I was feeling insecure and I wanted to resolve that Right Then.
I did not state my intention in the beginning of the convo, the fact that I was not looking for him to change or be different (true), I only wanted to clarify the reality of things. (all true)

So...even though I was completely calm and just speaking and asking him questions like, "what are your thoughts", my intuition tells me that he felt backed into a corner by my questions and he also assumed that I wanted him to change what he was doing.

The truth is that yes, I would have liked him to take down his profile however I did not expect he would do that - I was fully prepared to let him know that it was fine with me that he chose to keep his options open and that I would do the same. I'd have been interested in continuing to date him *on a casual basis* while I kept my options open and stayed focused on what I want: a man who chooses me and a man who I am enough for.

I did really like him, I really liked getting to know him, however I am not willing to invest more than he is and since it's his priority to keep his options open, then great! Now... he *had* told me before that he wasn't emailing other women or dating anyone, and I believe that was true. However, by keeping your profile out there you are saying, "I'm available". That action does not match the words "I'm your bf & you're my gf".

All I wanted was to get to the reality of things and NOT call each other bf & gf and then he was free to do whatever the heck he wanted and so was I then - and if he wanted to take me out on dates I sincerely would have been happy to do that. I just wouldn't have been exclusively dating him, and I would not have ever brought that topic up again.

I completely understand that not everyone moves at the same pace, however I won't shut down my options when a man isn't doing the same. Sure, I liked him, I liked him a lot, but I know what I want and I'm not going to wait around for some guy to "be sure" about me. And since I know that I can have what I want, and I Deserve to have what I want, I don't need any *specific* man to change - I can date several men casually all at the same time, because there is no physical involvement, which means I don't get tied up emotionally. It's all good. But, I never got to that part of the convo with him.

The Outcome:

When I asked him his thoughts about this... about - "how would you feel if I still had my profile up and it was the same as it was when you first contacted me? Me stating that I'm single and looking?" and, "if the only reason you are going on there is for xyz (his story) then would it be a big deal to state in your profile that you're dating someone, that you're not available?"....

The answer I got to my question "what do you think, what are your thoughts?" was that I would have to decide what I was going to do because he was not going to make any changes in his profile or hide it. That he would talk to me later and he was going to go get some more work done. "Goodbye."

That was a week ago last night. He said he would "talk to me later", but there has been no "later" (lol).

I've had zero contact from him since then and I have of course initiated no contact at all towards him.

Nothing.

It went from speaking every single night, dinner/dancing, twice a week, to nothing.

Yes, I made some mistakes and I know that I must learn from them. I understand I backed his ego into a corner. It wasn't good timing and I was thinking mainly about myself and my own insecurities, which prompted me wanting to talk right then, at that moment.

However if we had spoken in person I don't expect he would have chosen differently - we just would have gotten to the point where I would have shared with him that if he wanted to date me casually I'd keep my options open too - no problem. And really, I know he wasn't dating anyone else or emailing anyone else when he was seeing me, BUT he was stating that he was still available to the world at large by keeping his profile out there. That action doesn't match the words "you're my girlfriend and I'm your boyfriend". [ A boyfriend doesn't have a profile on a dating site. Duh. ;) ]

We never got to that though. And I think he decided I was jealous and controlling. Note that there was no emotional drama in this convo - it was just "ok, what do you think about this, how would you feel if I had my profile up....".... I made no requests or demands that he change, nothing of the sort. And he tried to turn my question about his profile and the discrepancy between that and calling me his gf into "where is this coming from - are you a jealous person? Will you be wanting to control my every move now?"

Nope, it wasn't about that - it was about the discrepancy between his words and his actions, and his actions showed that he really wasn't ready to be exclusive - and that's OK! I only wanted to get to the reality, plain and simple.

OK, since then there has been no contact.

My Question: Do I just stay put and go on with my life? (I put my profile back up on the dating site).

Is there any reason for me to contact him to say "hey, my timing was bad, just want you to know I had no negative intent towards you, I only wanted to communicate with you and get to the reality of things" (all true), or would that make it all worse?

In my head, I think that if a guy can just drop everything like a hot potatoe after telling me (in that same convo, when I asked how he would feel if I still had my profile up) that he was "confident in what he had together", and that things were going so great, then he must not have been that into me!!! lol

I mean, what else would there be to conclude?

And if it could all go kaput after just this one phone convo, how could it have EVER lasted long term?? If he's not even willing to just talk to me? How could you possibly have anything at all with a person who completely shuts down and shuts you out like that? In my book, if you don't have communication, you don't have ANYTHING.

Do I just go on now, assuming I am *totally and completely free and single now* since I've heard nothing at all from him and it's now on the 8th day since we last had contact?

And just leave him totally alone - do not attempt to say "hey, I meant no ill will" - just leave it, as it is?

Thanks. :)

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AimeeW's picture
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Chloe-

Your statement :

In my head, I think that if a guy can just drop everything like a hot potatoe after telling me (in that same convo, when I asked how he would feel if I still had my profile up) that he was "confident in what he had together", and that things were going so great, then he must not have been that into me!!!

Totally sums it up.

If someone is your BF and they are not taking down an online profile then they are still going to have women contacting them, correct? Why would someone who has a GF need or want other women to contact them?

I would put your profile back on and get on with your dating without drama. He sounds like drama, and he is the one who cut things off because you asked a simple question.

You're right, long term MUCH tougher issue would come up, how would he have dealt with those.

I think you were smart not to get in deeper than you did and I think you handled the situation just fine.

If he contacts you at some point I would just make it clear to him that it seems like neither one of you is ready to be exclusive ( meaning HE is not ready ) and then decide if you want to see him again.

My vote would be no.... if you had a long term investment here I would cut him some slack but if he is being such an emotional child within the first three months of dating that's a bad sign.

Either you're exclusive or you aren't. There is no grey area in that instance as far as I'm concerned.

 
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I know it doesn't feel very good at the moment, but in my opinin you just did yourself the greatest favour. Don't waste your energy into thinking what you did wrong, because you didn't do anything wrong!!! His reaction was completely inappropriate.

Get back to the dating game!

I wish you all the best of luck!!!

 
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Thanks Aimee!

Yes, I don't see why a guy who would claim to be my boyfriend would need to be available for other women to contact him. It's funny because he said that I didn't understand that men don't get emailed, that they have to be the ones doing the emailing. Well I know for myself that I've contacted men first on dating sites before. I prefer that they contact me first but I have contacted them first before, so that's just silly. You have a profile on a dating site because you're available and your options are out there and open - plain and simple.

Thank you Wise also!

Yes, that's exactly what I'm aiming to do - stop putting energy into this. I mean for gosh sakes, it's already been 8 days with NO WORD from him at all. Do I need any more clarification than that on how little I really meant to this guy? lol

It just reinforces for me how all of the stuff he said was Just That - STUFF! lol His words were just words - actions are everything and his actions are clear - over one conversation he completely shut down all communication, didn't even have any interest in "talking later" as he stated on the phone, and that's that. Nothing. Nada. Zip, zilch, zero.

Thanks. :)

 
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That is a very disappointing situation for sure, but it could have gone on for much longer and still have had the same outcome and that would have been 1000 times worse.

Also, his behaviour was very manipulative, passive-aggressive. Instead of giving anything that resembled a constructive explanation, he turned it against you implying it was YOUR problem, your jealousy, your insecurity! Sure, men know that every woman's biggest fear is being needy and the emotionally unavailable men play that card. Please don't let him manipulate you into believing that for one second.

You are a smart strong assertive reasonable woman and good things will happen to you!!!

 
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Him saying that men don't get emailed is B.S. When I was online dating, I emailed men. There's nothing wrong with taking the initiative to say "hi." I wasn't asking men out on there or anything.

If he weren't getting emails from available women, he would not need to be on the dating site. Because based on his theory, if he has to be doing all the initating and pursuing, then he would be keeping his dating profile up so he can do just that--initate and pursue other women.

He may be one of those guys who wants to keep his own options open, but for you to close yours off. That is not a good thing. He sounds controlling, manipulative, and passive-agressive. I don't see anything wrong with you asking him to take his online profile down if you two are exlusive. What he's telling you by keeping it up is that he wants to have his cake and eat it too, and if someone "better" comes along, he will drop you like a hot potato.

And look what he did, run for the hills when you asked him to do the reasonable thing when you're exclusive with someone, which is take your profile down. It's the same thing as if you were married but he refused to wear his wedding ring. He wants to proclaim to the world that he's single, but then have you at home waiting for him.

Forget about it! Find someone who is proud to show you off!

And don't take this situation as a "he's not that into me" situation. It is easy to sit and blame ourselves because he's not into us, and we should have handled the conversation better, blah, blah, blah.

I truly think that you could have told him in the most PC, gentle, ego-stroking way to take his profile down, and he would have had the same reaction. I would bet that he's probably been seeing other women the whole time he was dating you and you didn't know it. That's probably part of why he freaked out. He probably had another girl or two cooking in the background.

I have enountered several guys who do this.

Move on! You deserve better!

 
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Thank you Tiny and Wise.

Yeah, you're exactly right - I deserve much better - thanks. :)

 
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Exclusive means we see each other and each other only. No third, fourth, fifth parties are on the scene. If he's getting antsy because you ask one small question in what appears to be a reasonable manner about his dedication to this exclusivity he wants, then the issue is with him and not you. And to turn it back on you and make you out to be the unreasonable one who's "watching his every move" - well come on, does it really need to be said that the guy is a drama queen?
You handled it a lot better than I would have done, i would have been so tempted to start a row over it (this whole dating without drama thing is hard to get the hang of after years of reacting to situations the wrong way!!) so fair play. You did nothing wrong in my opinion...