CONFESSIONS OF A PLAYER - A ONE ACT PLAY - A guy explains to me why he stood me up on a date
So I'm back for just a moment, only to share with you the most fascinating conversation I had with the man who stood me up for a date last week, yet continued to contact me afterwards like nothing happened.
***Please understand when you read the conversation that I had and still have no intentions of seeing him again. And he expressed to me on our 2nd date that he has always had trouble with women, that they never see him as anything long-term, and only "use him for sex." Hence, I felt the need to educate him a bit if only to save some woman in the future a bit of heartache from this loser.***
QUICK BACKGROUND IF YOU DON'T KNOW (otherwise feel free to skip to Conversation part):
Talked with a guy online throughout Christmas holidays. Met in person start of January. Been spending time together for a month. Fantastic chemistry and attraction, but he has been inconsistent, despite telling me how "much he liked me." Intense dates with lots of flattery and attention but then no call for 7 days afterwards, that sort of thing. Very touchy-feely from the get-go, lots of sexual innuendo not long after. Went far with him the 2nd date (I know, shouldn't have), but no sex. Last date we had, he showed up late with no plan of where to take us; only suggested a local bar (I had told him several times I don't drink.) I declined, we ended up getting ice cream, having fun, kissed a bit and that's it.
Next day he texted me all day, wanted to take me out for a day trip--we both mentioned enjoying blackjack and slots so he suggested a day trip to the casino--unorthodox I know but sounded fun. He suggested we meet on Sunday, and texted me all week with ideas of where to go, what to wear, etc. I realized on Saturday afternoon I had not heard from him him exactly where or when we were meeting. I texted him, he gave me a name of a casino, I asked where it was. No response. No response for 8 hours, until the texted me at 11pm the name of the city it's in. No time, no arrangements of how to get there. In that 8 hours I figured I was being stood up, made arrangements for other plans for Sunday and I did not respond to his text, figuring if he really wanted to see me, he would call in the morning. I also saw that in that 8 hours that he ignored my text, he had been on the dating site we met on.
Sunday came and went, no word from him, did not hear from him until Tuesday. Text: "Sad about the casino. Let's try again real soon." I replied to him with a (somewhat long) text explaining how I could see he was not serious about me, was clearly only after one thing, and although he claimed to want a long-term girlfriend, his actions did not match his words, hoping he would go away and leave me alone.
He replied with, "Whoa. That's surprising."
I did not reply. Two days later he called me to talk about the text. I did not call him back (way done by this point). Two days later he sent me 3 long text messages saying that he doesn't understand what happened, that's he's so hurt, he's confused by MY behavior, that he wishes me good luck on my search and doesn't understand why I didn't see better qualities in him.
Finally I decided I needed to call him and formally end it. He was not getting the picture. Plus curiosity got the better of me and I had to hear his rationalization of why he stood me up.
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CONVERSATION:
Him: So, what went wrong here?
Me: (calmly) Um, you stood me up for our date on Sunday.
Him: (angry) Wow, there's some venom.
Me: Excuse me? You stood me up for our date. And you continue to contact me like nothing happened. It doesn't make any sense.
Him: Um, I didn't think we had a date for Sunday.
Me: (laughing) Um, you asked me to go to the casino with you on Sunday. You even asked me what time I needed to be at work that night to make sure we had enough time to make it there and back. You also texted me all week about what clothes to wear, and suggestions of where we were going. How can you say we didn't have a date?
Him: (long 30 second silence)
Me: (impatient sigh)
Him: See, I wasn't serious about it being a date. It was more like, fantasy, speculation...
Me: What part about you texting me "How about we go this Sunday?" and my accepting, is fantasy? And you texting me all week about it?
Him: Um, I didn't think that constituted a date.
Me: Then, if I made all these plans up about the casino and it was just "fantasy" then how come you texted me three days later "Sad about the casino. Let's try again real soon." ?
Him: (long 30 second silence)
Me: (laughing) I'm not stupid.
Him: I don't think you're stupid. You're upset. And what's all this about my only being after sex?
Me: Look, I'm a woman on my own here in L.A. I have to look out for myself. When I date men, they usually fall into 2 categories. Only looking for sex, or looking for something real. It's almost impossible sometimes to tell the two apart. In my experience in this city, I'd say 80% of men who ask me out are only after a good time.
Him: I think everyone, men and women, are after a good time, I mean wouldn't everyone want to have a good time...
Me: SEX! I mean only after sex!
Him: Oh.
Me: So what I have to do in the beginning, is sit back, and see what a man's about by his actions. Men who have been truly interested in something real generally take me out places, make plans for our dates, maintain consistent contact by phone as well as text, make plans for the near future, show interest in what I do, etc. Men who are only after sex make a lot of sexual comments, disappear for a week or more on end, only text message and never call, show up late without calling, have no plans and only want to do things where drinking is involved, and stand you up for dates. And by your actions, I can see that you are not serious about me.
Him: That's not true. And by your logic, I would say that if 80% of men here are only after sex, I'd say from my stance that 80% of women don't deserve a relationship.
Me: Excuse me? Don't deserve? I don't understand what you're saying. I don't follow.
Him: (mumbles some incomprehensible stuff that I can't make out)
Me: You're not that interested in me! If you were interested in seeing me, you would have called to confirm the date. You would have made sure you were going to see me again. You would not lead me on all week with a B.S. "fantasy" date that you had no intention of going on.
Him: Sue me for having to work.
Me: So you knew you had to work, and instead of just telling me that, you texted me every day making me think I had plans all day on Sunday, only to ignore me on Saturday when I asked where we were going, and then bail on me on Sunday.
Him: (hint of excitement in his voice) You're really upset about this.
Me: No. I just don't like being stood up for dates. And I'm irritated that I have to explain all of this to you. If there were a girl you were REALLY interested in as you have claimed you are with me...
Him: I am.
Me: ...would you take a full 7 days to call her? Would you stand her up on a date? Think about it.
Him: Well, clearly, I would. I often take a week or even way more to contact a girl I'm interested in.
Me: If you ask any woman on the planet, if you're taking way over a week to call her, she is going to feel that you are not that interested.
Him: I disagree. I have a lot of female friends. I can't wait to ask them about this. But, why can't it all be flipped over to the other gender? You didn't call me for 7 days.
Me: Yeah. So?
Him: Everything you've heard about guys wanting to chase girls is all hype. Guys really want girls to call them. I would love it if girls would call me and ask me out. Don't believe the hype.
Me: Really. So you would love it if I called you all the time, and texted you all day, and planned out dates and asked you on them.
Him: Yes. I would love girls to make the first move, and plan out dates, and ask me out.
Me: I'm not gonna do that. I already explained this to you. I have to observe your actions to see whether you are just f'ing around or if you are serious. How can I do that if I'm the one calling you all the time? How would I possibly know if you are interested in me or just getting in my pants if I do all the work, huh? I can plainly see that you're not serious by the way that you treat me.
Him: By your logic, can't I sit back and do the same thing to you? Can't I see if you're just f'ing around?
Me: Most women aren't out for only sex. Most women are looking for a real relationship. So the same rules don't necessarily apply.
Him: So you women get to sit in your throne of judgement and guys have to go and throw themselves at the mercy of your court?
Me: No! I'm not expecting men to do some dog and pony show for me. It's very simple: if he's interested, he'll call. If he isn't, he won't. End of story.
Him: Well, congratulations, I called!
Me: Yeah. And even though you called later than most guys who were "SO INTO" me would call, I agreed to go out with you again, didn't I?
Him: Yes.
Me: And then you said you would take me out, and showed up at my house a half hour late with no call and no plan, asked me to go to a bar even though I don't drink, and then when we were at ice cream you suggested we "go watch a movie at my place." Hmm. Then you stand me up for our 4th date. I think that you are out there seeing several girls at once, and all the other girls you are seeing dumped you, and you came back around for me as a last resort when you could see you weren't gonna get any from anywhere else.
Him: (long 60 second silence)
(Then,) Well, I can see we have a difference of opinion on how dating works.
Me: I guess so. I really don't know what else to even say.
Him: Well, for the record, I did like you, and I was interested in you.
Me: Well, I don't really know what else to say. I guess we're just different.
Him: Yeah, well take care.
Me: You too.
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Now, I'm not upset about not seeing him again, and now that I just wrote this I'm laughing as I write it because it's so ridiculous. I wanted to see how he would react to the DWD stuff, and see how lazy he really is. Boy, did I ever get my answer. The only thing that really hurts is that once I caught him so plainly in his lies, he still had the gall to continue to lie and then turn it around like it was my fault. A true manipulator. It's hurtful to listen to someone justify why it's okay to treat you like crap. Pretty glad I'm taking a break from dating...I feel stupid for letting chemistry blind me but boy did I ever learn a valuable life lesson.
And I'm proud of myself for standing up and actually verbalizing how I expect to be treated for once.
I need to write this stuff out and publish it...;)
He sounds so ignorant.
No reflection on you.
The more he talked the worse it got!
He sounds like a total waste of time (was thinking of a much stronger word or two there, lol). He has got a lot of learning to do if he wants a successful relationship with a quality woman, eh?
I am so proud of you for standing up for yourself so well - you did good!
Well, maybe he had a point or two about egalitarianism, he seems like he is playing the field.
It's hard to juggle several women at a time.
You obviously are not compatible with him. Se La Vie
[Adopts condescending school-marm voice:] Xhris - it's 'C'est la vie', dear ;-)
Hey Tiny
I am sorry of course that the guy jerked you around, but that all credit to you. That conversation was hilarious. Priceless. :-)
I get the impression that he's used to women either jumping when he says 'jump', or simply throwing hissy fits and getting all hysterical. You did none of that, just simply explained how it is; as moos said, he had dug himself into a hole and was simply making it deeper with his own words.
Dancer-
You did great, and handled that discussion perfectly. Perhaps he will give some thought next time to how his actions will be viewed. If not, at least you put those thoughts out there....
Kat
It never ceases to amaze me the number of clueless guys out there. I have had many ask me why I didn't call. Well lets see, you take me out on a date, leave my door and say "I had a great time, can I call you tomorrow". I say "yes" and they don't. A week later I get a call and he asks "Why haven't you called ME???? WTF!
This guy had bricks for brains! Wow, his stupidity was unbelievable!
Good on you for drawing the line clearly in the sand. Having this whole conversation written out has further shown me what happens to the cowardly dudes when they're backed into a corner from their own lies: they always project back. I fugging LOVED how he was immediately all about calling you "full of venom" and "really upset" when you called him out on FACTS.
And yes, that's exactly what he was doing: trying to juggle other chicks and coming back to you when the prospects dried up. And the concept of "the fantasy" of having a date for Sunday.....just unbelievable. Why would someone do this?? Only the most cowardly, pathetically sad person would think to do something like that.
When I really think about it, I swear it makes me laugh. We really do need to create a thread here called Clueless Ville. Probably be good for some laughs.
Hee hee, it is a funny conversation. I'm glad I have it written out to refer to if anyone tries anything like this ever again (although I won't let it happen twice!)
Thanks for reading :)
Xhris--Just curious on your take, you mentioned he did have a few points about egalitarianism. What points do you think are valid? I do agree that of course guys should be assessing a girl to ascertain if she's right for him, that's obvious. But do you think that she needs to be calling him first and setting up dates and asking him out on them in order to come across as interested? Or just that she reciprocates initiating calls eventually (which I usually start doing after a few dates, if I can plainly see it's going somewhere).
Side note: I'm breaking out the world's smallest violin for that guy having "a hard time juggling several women at once." Hopefully he learned a lesson about that. Doesn't work out too well when you're trying to see 10 women at the same time. Maybe he needs to scale back to just 3 or 4. LMAO!
Opening myself up for a bashing here, but i kind of dont see things as being all that clear cut! I see things from 2 possible sides, maybe its my addiction to drama, so please feel free to tell me where my view is wrong here.
I see it like this
1) he seems to have made semi solid plans, but then it seems 1 of 2 things happened (what he says and what i can relate to personally) eg, he wanted you to finish them off and take control, trying to share the equality like xhris says or (something you jumped on)eg that he is lazy and mucking you around.
I personally have been with some men who have been that scared of rejection, that they would take the semi-sounding you out for a date route with you to guage an interest, then wonder why i never called to concrete the plans. after a while, these same guys have taken it upon themselves to come up with all the details.. i think if he is the same, the only thing you are annoyed about, was his lack of communication towards you... he should have said...."when works best for you" and let you lead the convo back to his choice.
At the same time, there are ocasions where people invite others out knowing that they cant make it, just so the other person doesnt loose interest and still feels wanted..... (wrong, but a misguided approach probably based on their own insecurities as outlines above more than out to intentionally harm)
2) he is dating other women...... and that is a problem because?
arent we as dwd divas told to go out and date as many men as possible, and THEN decide who we want a mutually exclusive relationship with? why is that not ok for men? unless in missed the above where there was mention of a commitment. I cant see why it would matter if he is dating others, if we are expected to do teh same.
while it seems you were right to state your needs, (although the above sounds like a full blown arguement to me which isnt good), i think you maybe have to admit that you were a tad harsh by not really listening to him about all of this, and maybe you got him wrong, and as a direct result of that, you will either get another apology soon whilst he tries desperately to rectify things, or you have pushed him away for good.
Maybe he reacted badly to having all of this come out the way it did, which was obviously a bit heated at best. maybe he had good answers to your questions, or the above applied with not wanting to seem uninterested so he made up semi plans not thinking it would matter. it seems you may have caught him off gusrd and he became defensive though...
whilst the DWD rules are great, and well done for standing your ground, i have found that sometimes sticking to them makes us out to be very 1 dimentional creatures, which is not the case at all. maybe there was more here than met the first glance, and maybe you were waiting for him to mess up subconciously, therefore not giving him a fair trial. who knows.
thats my 2 pence worth.


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