Can you help me with the whole story?TTT

Sorry its so long, i just need someone to tell me what is what, because this seems very comlicated and not clear cut to me.

I was 16 when we met at work and we were both attracted to each other. He lost his job and we didn’t really see each other till about a year later when we bumped into each other and exchanged phone numbers. We called each other occasionally and caught up that way, and eventually I ended up going round his house to see him one night after id been out on the town.

The attraction was still there and it was slightly awkward as we didn’t know how to handle it. We are both a bit shy. He sat on the opposite side of the room to me, on a completely different sofa, and we talked for a while before I said I had to go home. In the taxi on the way home, he sent me a message asking me why I was sat so far away from him, and why nothing had happened. I mentioned that it was him who walked over to the other side of the room and not me so if he had wanted to sit closer, he easily could have. Skip forward a few weeks, and id gone round a few times to watch a film at his.

We were talking more and more frequently through texts and calls each/every other day and things started getting flirty like they used to be at work. Well eventually we ended up sleeping together and it turned into a fairly regular thing pretty much every Friday and maybe another night too. I found out after the first time we slept together that he had a gf, and, honestly I didn’t think much of it. I knew it was a sh8tty thing to be doing, but I was young and if im honest didn’t really care. It intermingled between him inviting me round to stay and then changing his mind later on that night, or me leaving early the next morning.

I started getting closer to his sister and we ended up going out as friends drinking with one of her other friends on a regular basis each weekend. Id make excuses later on in the night, and head round to his to spend some time with him and normally stay over. I do remember him specifically asking me one night why I always leave early, and asking me to stay the next morning so we could spend time together the next day. All this and he still had a gf. That year I received a happy valentines off of him despite him still not being single, and after an argument over him cancelling a day to hang out at short notice, and following a friends advice I gave him some space.

I asked him for all of my stuff back, (he has a lot of videos that I had taken round to watch) and he told me to come round to pick them up that he had put it all aside. When I got there, he was distant, obviously it was awkward following our argument, and there were empty cases, and videos all over the place. I got the distinct impression that he was trying to fob me off with only some of my things so he would have to see me again, this was strengthened by seeing him pick up a video corresponding to the empty case we were trying to fill, and put it behind a load of other videos on his shelf. Needless to say within a week we were talking again, and things had started up again.

> My feelings for him had started to change, I was getting attached and I decided that as I was due to go to university, I would choose a university far away to get away from him and the feelings I had for him. A week before I was due to go to university I went round his and I told him I had developed feelings for him, that I didn’t know how he felt but wanted to be together and knew that couldn’t happen so I was going away to get some time apart. He had tears in his eyes saying to me that he didn’t like what he was doing by cheating on his gf, and that he loved me, but as a friend and didn’t want to lose me and hoped we could still be friends. I said fine, and went to university the following week.

> Literally a week after I had gone, I got a call from him, he was really upbeat and bubbly as he told me that he has finished with his gf, but he didn’t say anything more about us etc etc. I played it cool and said, well sorry to hear that etc and tried acting not bothered by the news. After that we started texting each other again a lot, and after a while it became apparent he wanted to start things up with me again. I told him matter of factly that he had made his bed by choosing his ex over me, and now had to live with it…. His reply to me was “we all make mistakes”. I came back that xmas and spent a lot of time with one of my close male friends who he had always had a hint of jealousy over (j had answered my phone one day in the pub, and told him I wasn’t available as I was at the bar, and D then called me back saying “if J wants a fight with me, then all he has to do is say so”, I overheard the conversation, and the above is literally what J had said to him. Nothing more and nothing less.)

We bumped into him that Xmas, and he saw me and gave me the biggest hug and told me that he loved me. Then he walked away with his friends. He constantly was calling and texting me when I went back to uni, and wanted to meet up when I was back for easter which I agreed to.

When I got home at easter2002, I found out that he had another gf..P. I went and saw him, spent some time at his house watching films but nothing happened. There was one night he called me on my way home asking me to come back because he was thinking about me and was turned on, and I just reminded him of his gf, and that I was not going to go round because of that. I yet again told him that he had a choice, and chose someone else, and said if you want to be with me, then you will have to be with me without anyone else. He told me he wanted to be with me, had feelings for me, but wasn’t prepared to end things with his current gf to see if we could work. Yet again I left him to it.

> They split up and got back together a couple of times, but the following xmas they were having big problems. and We had stayed friends all though this time, talking to each other, but hadn’t seen each other the summer I had gone home, now we were getting back into the flirting routine etc etc. I was due an operation on my shoulder, something ive been having problems with since I was 18- I was now 20 and my mum had just been diagnosed with cervical cancer over the xmas period. (she had lung cancer when I was 11, and went into full remission).

My dad was working abroad, my sister was at university, and I was also away but waiting till the next summer for an operation so I didn’t miss any uni. Well I decided after xmas that I was not happy with my mum being on her own going through chemo for a second time, so I asked her to arrange for my op to be brought forward so we could look after eachother, and id just repeat the uni year. The weekend that I came home from university, my mum had a stroke.

I’d been out with my best friend and her bf the night before, and he had wanted me to come over after around 9pm to spend some time with him. It got late and we all decided just to stay out instead. He called me at 11pm asking where I was and I told him I was just dropping JA home to his town. He asked me to call when I was on my way back, but I got into a convo with my friend and it was 2pm by the time I thought of calling him-so I sent a quick text instead. The morning my mum had her stroke (Monday), and I was at the hospital waiting for my family to come and be with me, I got a text from him (not that he knew what had happened) “I hope you got to c*m last night”. I was devastated at the timing of that text and screamed down the phone at him to his voicemail.
> That night he apologised and asked me to come over so he could make sure I was okay. I said no, then he very badly decided that he would cheer me up with some dirty text messages. They went down like a lead balloon and we had another argument. By sat morning 15th feb, my mum had died and my world had been turned upside down. His timing, always impeccable was to call me to apologise and ask how I was and my mum was, 10 mins after I had said goodbye to her. I put the phone down on him.

The next week, I had my operation as planned, (my family thought it best) and I was let out for the day of my mother’s funeral, the week after that, my sister went back to uni, and my father decided to go back to work abroad, even though I had just had major surgery, and had my operated arm strapped to my body. That week I turned 21. D called and text me a few times over this period, but not every day like we had been contacting each other before. He told me he was really worried about me, and he didn’t know what he could do to help me. I think like most people in this position, he was just giving me space. Eventually the contact started back up again, and we were spending time with each other hanging out. I found out he was still semi seeing his ex, and I reminded him that nothing would go on- despite him still saying he wanted it to over that period.

> Anyway 3 weeks after my mum died, my dad brought back a woman he was obviously having an affair with over where he worked. (my mum had expressed a concern about this to me a week before she died) he denied for 9 months that there was anything going on, and twisted everything I told my sister to make me look like a bad person who was lying.

This woman was a complete and utter b*tch to me during this whole period. She had no compassion for what my family had been though, and spoke to me like I was dirt in my own house. She made up lies about me to my father, and our relationship suffered severely because of it all. He was married to my mother for 31 years. I found that disgusting. He finally came clean to my sister about them in the September when I went back to university. I never got an apology for all the lies he told, or him turning my sister against me during that period. D however supported me a huge amount through this time, and he felt like the only person I could talk to about what I was going through.

> I went back to uni, and just couldn’t cope with the workload and the depression I had slipped into. Around jan the following year, I found out that D was still with this gf of his, and I laid my heart on the line. I told him through text that I loved him, and that I wished he felt the same way but as he didn’t, we shouldn’t have any more contact with each other. He contacted me back straight away saying he wished he has known how I felt, and asked why I never told him before now. I replied that it doesn’t make a difference as he is with someone and that meant we couldn’t be together. I then ignored his attempts to contact me for 3 months until I got a withheld number on my phone one day. I answered and it was him, in a really quiet, sad voice he said to me “you can’t just say something like that and walk away”, I said yes I can. “I haven’t done anything wrong though”. I then tried explaining to him, that I loved him, and he didn’t feel the same so it would only cause problems between us if we kept talking. He didn’t seem to understand and asked if we could remain friends. I said yes and gave in
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> Before I went home in summer, after flunking out of the year not being able to cope, but wanting to be around the friends I had up there, he went on holiday with his friend, and called me during the night, (drunk) he said “im just phoning to tell you how much I love you and it’s not cause im drunk” , I said, I love you too, then he asked me to text him through the night…. I didn’t as I passed out. When I got home that summer, we spent time together with nothing happening. He invited me out to his birthday drinks and I went, but with a male friend of mine (I have a lot of male friends). Later on that night I saw him drunk, but kissing another girl. I asked him why he would do that to me, and he said, he was sorry, he was drunk and she didn’t mean a thing to him.

> It was a big deal to me. we have never really kissed. he has kissed me on the cheek, on the forehead, etc etc, but never had a smooch. Ive initiated kisses on occasion (3 to be exact) and each time, he has been somewhat unresponsive to me and not really kissed back once we first started out and he was cheating on his first gf with me, I overheard him on the phone to someone saying "we don’t kiss because she isn’t my gf". So you can imagine that I was hurt seeing him kiss someone else. I once again told him that I couldn’t see him anymore, because it was hurting me. I left the pub that night, and he called me the next day, saying things hadn’t happened between us in a long time, and he couldn’t see why I would be so upset. He told me again that she was just someone he knew though a friend, and that he wasn’t with her, and wasn’t going to see her after that night it was just one of those things.

> A couple of weeks after that he asked to talk as he wanted to see me. I agreed and we had a conversation about starting things up again. We agreed that it was too soon to have a relationship, and label something as a relationship, but that we would be exclusive and be seeing each other if we had to explain what was going on. It was then that I asked him why we had never kissed, knowing that he kisses his girlfriends, and had kissed some random and he told me he was not really a kissy person, and that he was grateful that he could be himself around me and not have to do that which he felt he couldn’t do with other people. I don’t know if I should have accepted that or not, but I did.

> By the time we had decided all of this, I was in a deep deep depression and waiting on what was to be, my 5th operation on my arm. Things were good between us, but I had completely lost my sex drive as is apparently normal. He still turned me on very much, but I was not fussed about getting anything or having sex, that meant that as I enjoyed it so much, and so did he, I would go down on him, and that would be enough for me. That was all he got from me over the entire time we were “seeing each other”.

> I cant describe how I felt here. I was happy that we were together, we were spending 3 nights a week with each other and going out for drives or chats maybe another night a week. We were constantly on the phone or texting each other and he was supporting me thought everything that was still happening with my dad etc etc, I already knew his mum, sister and brother, but we had specifically gone up to see his dad on a few occasions, and we had gone out to lunch just the three of us. I was also introduced to his little sister during this time (she was 7) who kept on calling me his gf when I met her. She went into the cupboards, and got out a box of chocolates and gave them to D, saying your girlfriends lovely, these are for her. I didn’t want to say or make a fuss about it, but when we got back into the car and started driving off, he said “oh I forgot your chocolates, do you want to go back for them” he didn’t correct her, and at the time I thought awh that’s sweet, but was aware that she was a 7yr old child, and explaining that I wasn’t may be to much hassle. I left it.

> We did a lot together, all the time. As I said I had no sex drive, so it was mainly getting into bed and just cuddling that happened. I felt safe with him, and he would hold me all night. My arm was bad, and he fussed over me something chronic. Making sure I had enough pillows so I was comfortable etc etc. if I rolled over in the night, he would get up, and walk around the other side of the bed so he could carry on cuddling me and me still be comfortable.

He did little things for me for example, I had had a conversation with him about a year before, where I said I hadn’t seen the day of the triffids for absolute years. I picked him up from work one day and he handed me the film on dvd, saying that it had come into the shop as an exchange item, and he had made sure he bought it for me, just to say thanks for everything I do for him. Or for example I was supposed to go and see the second lord of the rings film with my mum the day she had her stroke, so I was boycotting seeing the film. He sat me down one day with a huge box of tissues and said, I think we should watch this, your mum would have wanted you to see it, im here for you, if you need to turn it off at any point just let me know.
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> but it just was not enough. I was reaching out to him to fill the void left by my mum, which he couldn’t possibly do, and I wrongfully resented him for that. I didn’t realise I was depressed at the time, was losing a lot of friends through my irrational behaviour and was driving everyone including him away from me. I resented him for not being there enough for me, but he would never have ever been able to have been there for me like I needed him to be.

My head was being twisted by my father and his gf, and I couldn’t tell who was against me and who wasn’t. first in my abuse list was D. He took so much verbal and mental abuse from me that looking back I can’t understand why he ever wanted to talk to me again. He started distancing himself from me which made me even angrier at him for pulling away. We didn’t see each other for about a month, then we met up finally, we had a long conversation about how I thought we were together, which he said we were. I said, I thought we weren’t seeing other people and he said we aren’t, we went back to mine, and all night he kept telling me how much he had missed me, he didn't want anything to happen, but just cuddled me tight all night long.

> I didn’t know what to think. He had gone off for a month, reduced contact and had not given me any explanation. The next morning I snuck a look at his phone. Lo and behold there were texts from a girl called S on there. I knew he had to go to work that morning, so I hid his phone so I could go through it properly. He left without it asking me to please find it.

> At the time, filled with rage about him cheating on me I only saw one thing. Messages of a sexual nature from her to him, messages that suggested they were meeting up and messages from her saying she loved him and would move across the world to be with him if that’s what he wanted. I checked his outbox, and there were message from him inviting her to tell him what she would do to him, and messages from him saying that he liked her.

> I saw red. He called from work and I answered the phone and we had an almighty row. He told me it was not what it seemed and asked me to read through the messages again, that she was just a friend and although they had been messaging, nothing had happened. He asked if I could meet him after work so he could explain everything and clear it all up, but I had work so we agreed to the next day. We had 4 arguments in the space of 3 days as he then kept putting things off saying he was throwing up and being ill.

We eventually met and he told me that he has met her earlier in the year and they had slept together once, but that it was before me and him had gotten together ,that she liked him and had decided she now loved him after having known him only a few months and having one night together. I asked him if he had met up with her since we were together and I expected some form of excuse or lie… what I got was that he had wanted to meet up with her at times, but that he hadn’t because I meant so much to him, that I was constantly upset with him and was always making him feel bad with what I said. He told me that she made him feel good about himself when he spoke to her, but that he hadn’t even seen her in the 5 months we had been together as he was with me, but that he cared a lot for me, and didn’t want to hurt me, because hurting me was hurting him.
> To me, this was all bullsh8t. I was angry, and hurt, and so on so forth. I called things off and told him again, that I didn’t think we should speak to each other. That was just before xmas in 2004.

> Invariably we both calm down, and both start speaking to each other again, but don’t see eachother for a long time. During this period, I got into a rebound relationship with a guy I knew from my work who bought me dinner a few times when I did the late night reception shift at a hotel. When I told D about this, he asked all manner of questions, his age, what he looked like, how often we saw each other, what he did for a living, where he worked, and then he asked me if it was the same guy who bought me dinner a few times at the hotel (we split a company meal voucher between us that he was entitled to, so he wasn’t actually buying me dinner). He was obviously jealous which I must admit I got some satisfaction out of.

> A couple of months later I found out that he was now seeing S but wasn’t with her. He told me matter of factly on the phone that it wouldn’t last because she lived too far away, he told me he had met up with her over feb and they had started seeing each other from then (over 2 months since we had “split”).

> The relationship with st ended when he hit me one day out of the blue because I said I wouldn’t spend a week with him while he moved jobs. Don’t worry, I pressed charges. it was may when I spoke to D about it, and he was shocked, and shouted at me for not having told him straight away. He offered to come to court with me for support, but I just couldn’t have him there whilst I was going over the details of what had happened.
> I was angry at finding out about him and S, as far as I was concerned it confirmed that they were sleeping together when we were “together”. it was a couple of months after this I re-read the texts that I had copied down that day, and realised there may have been some truth, or all truth to what he was saying.
She was indeed sending dirty texts to him, and he seemed to be asking her to tell her what she would do, but she was saying I love you if move to be with you etc etc, and his replies to those texts were things like “ and I LIKE you.”. or there were texts from her saying il see you tomorrow night, can’t wait., but a text the next night saying “thats a a shame, I was looking forward to it, but I get to see you next week so no problems” then the next week etc a text saying the same etc etc. so what he was saying about wanting to meet up, but never actually doing it, may have been the truth.

I actually started to see that the way I had treated this guy, was wrong. That I had hurt him a lot by pushing him away from me when all he wanted to do was support me and help me. That I was actually speaking to him on a daily basis like he was worthless and being nasty to him. I even remember him texting me one day after saying he had had a particularly nasty day at work saying “please just be nice to me, ive had a very hard day at work and am feeling very down right now”. My god! He HAD to ask me to be nice to him. And even after that, I remember starting an argument with him about it!
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> I decided that I would start reading some self help books and try to pull myself out of the depression I was now realising I was in, and to try and salvage what was going on with me and him. I went on various forums online and started to realise just how bad things had become for me, and how badly I had treated him and put him down. I asked him if we could spend one day together so that I could say thank you and sorry to him in the same shot, and he reluctantly agreed. I took him up to London for a picnic in green park, we went on a Thames boat ride, and then went to a geeky film memorabilia shop. He was overwhelmed with me in the park, and that night on the train he gave me a huge hug and told me how much he appreciated the day we had had, and that nobody had ever done anything like that for him. I didn't know how to take that, am quite bad at being humble and accepting lovely compliments like that, so kind of shrugged it off which spoilt the moment. Then his gf, S called!

> A few weeks later I ventured back to university to start up again. I sent him card saying that I loved him, and that I hoped in the future we could be together, but for now, I needed to go my own way and focus on myself. I was hoping to get some form of reply from that, but I didn’t. I went back up to uni, and started seeing a councillor to get over my grief. 2 months later he contacted me out of the blue saying that he missed me, and was thinking of coming up to visit me at university. He was still with S, and I said that’s fine, but on a friend’s basis only. He called me to “let me be the first person to know he had been accepted for a mortgage and bought a house”, and a few weeks ;later he called me and said “please don’t shout at me, but I need to tell you something, ive been ill recently and coughing up blood”. I asked him if he had been to the doctors, and he said no, I asked him to go for me, and he agreed. I asked if S knew and why she hadn’t made him go, and he said he hadn’t told her about it.

> That xmas we spent a few day times together watching films, and when I went back to university in jan, he sent me a message saying “make sure you come back, I miss you”.
> I had a field trip at easter, so didn’t so go back, during this time but did during that summer. And him and S had just split up All summer we were hanging out, spending time together but not staying over each other’s houses.

> When it came to his birthday, I again had just had another operation on my arm, which was strapped to my body again, and he invited me out for a drink with him and a few friends. I agreed. I met up with him and everyone in the pub and we then went into town from there.i got talking to one of his old friends who I hadn’t seen in years and by the end of the night, and I was very drunk we were kissing each other. D walked by both of us just as we were coming up for air and had this weird smile on his face that was shock, hurt, and humour all rolled into one. I said id be back in a min, and went to speak to him to apologise. (I didn't mean to get drunk and kiss his mate, it just happened. we were talking all night and were completely separate from the rest of the group, then it happened)

I walked over to him and said im sorry, he said, “if being with him is going to make you happy, then im happy for you, honestly” annoyed at that I then said to him, “no bull****ting me here D, spell it out for me loud and clear, tell me how you feel about me”…. His reply was this “I love you, I always have, and I always will. But a relationship right now would just be too hard on both of us. My work is manic, im just changing jobs and it wouldn’t work”. I said to him, “what makes you think that im am asking you for a fully fledged relationship? I thought we have been getting on really well and that has been leading somewhere, but we would need to take anything we do really slowly”.

> He said to me look, this is important to both of us, how bout we get out of here, go back to mine and we can talk about this properly. I agreed, and he said let me just say goodbye to my friends stay here. Well, yet again it was great timing, because the club then started kicking everybody out, and all of his friends decided to go back to his house with us, including the guy I had been kissing earlier.

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When we got back to his, I spent 5 mins downstairs and asked if it would be ok to go and lie down on his bed, as I was drunk and in pain. He said yes, I passed out and got woken up about an hour or so later with him knocking on his door asking who was in his room. I said me, and he said “who else”, and I just said, just me. Then he opened the door, turned on the light and started looking around. I asked what was wrong, and he said he thought I’d been up in his room with the guy id been kissing, as he has disappeared 5 mins after I asked if I could go to sleep. I felt so horrified by myself at that. He was obviously hurt and mad at me. I told him that I would never do anything like that to him, that I cant believe he thought that of me, knowing how I feel about him, and he just told me to stop going on about it.

That night I tried kissing him on the lips again, and he was unresponsive, which im not really surprised about. The next morning I asked him if he wanted to talk about what happened last night, or say what he wanted to, and he said no.

After that we seemed okay, We were getting closer to each other and at the end of the summer when I was due to go back to uni again I got a text from him asking if I had gotten any weird messages. I asked why, and he said cause he had just gotten a text asking what was going on between him and me. I sent him a message back saying no I haven’t heard anything like that, what was the number and have you replied, and he said, I just replied “nothing”. I asked what the number was and never got a reply from him. It occurred to me that I had been out in the pub with a male friend the night before, and he had been playing with my phone whilst I was at the bar, it ran thought my mind that it could possibly have been him asking the question, but ive known that guy all my life and it would have been out of character for him to pry like that. (more so he has never made a move, still to this day)

That weekend I was due to go round his for the night, I went round and we were fine with each other, until I bought up the message I said there was only one person I could think of who had access to his number ,and that was the guy I was out with the night before and that it was highly unlikely to be him, I asked again what the number was and if he had gotten anymore messages. He went quiet, shook his head, said he deleted the number then went out to the toilet. When he came back he said he wasn’t feeling well, and that I had to leave. I was angry as I had only been there for about 15 mins. He said he wanted to see me, but was feeling very sick and was not going to vomit in front of me so I had to leave. He asked me to go to breakfast with him the following day. I lost my temper with him and stormed out. He asked me to text him when I was home so we could chat and I told him no. that if it was not good enough me coming round then I wouldn’t. he said can you call me to let me know you get home ok, and I again refused.

As I got to his door, I realised I didn’t want to end things on a bad note, so tried to apologise, but by that time I have made him angry at me, and he told me to get the hell out of his house. I was really upset and couldn’t hail a cab. So I decided to walk and phone my friend to rant down the phone. An hour later I still was nowhere near town and he was calling me as I had not replied to any of his texts that said call me when your back(I wasn’t back, so I didn’t) I eventually managed to get a taxi, and he called to ask if I was ok.

I asked him what had just happened and he said I feel really ill, ive just been sick 3 times. I felt as if this sickness had come on very suddenly after I had mentioned this message, so I asked him what he wanted. He replied “I just want to be friends” I said, is that all, and he replied “no, its not, but anything more than that is just too much hard work” I asked what he meant and he said “the past is just too much, and we should just be friends” when I tried to ask him what he meant by all of that, he got enraged and told me to stop talking about it and to leave him alone. When I got back se sent me a message saying please don’t call me, ive gone to my mum’s for the night and she is now asleep, I don’t want to wake her.

> The next day I sent him a message asking if he still wanted to meet for breakfast. I got no reply. The day after that I was standing at the train station waiting for my train and I got a message saying “have a safe journey, take care”. I asked him what he meant the other night when he said he only wanted to be friends, and asked him how he could want that after telling me he loved me 2 months before. He said that the night of his birthday when he had said “I love you, I always have and I always will”, he meant it as I love you, but im not in love with you.

> I went back to university and we got back onto friendly terms easily. Just before xmas though he started fading into the distance. I sensed this meant he was again with someone but didn’t know for sure. We spoke a few days before xmas and he invited me round to his for new years eve. I said I’d love to, and was excited about what could happen etc. xmas day I called him, and he said he couldn’t talk for long as he had another present to wrap, and had to go out. I asked that meant he had a gf, he said yes, that her name was So and they had been together for about 2 months. My stomach turned. I knew who he meant. I asked if it was the same So that used to be friends with his sister, and he said yes. I felt the jealousy building in me, but kept it under wraps.

2 days later I phoned his sister and asked her to meet me in the pub for a drink. When I had first started up with D, I suspected that something was happening with So and him but he always denied anything was happening. I asked her why So and her had fallen out a few years back, and got told, that she had aborted his baby when he was 20, that she had been using her to get to her brother and she broke his heart. Apparently they had bumped into each other about a year previously and now decided to get together. he had told his sister that he loved her and always had…..This devastated me.

I ended up getting very drunk and telling his sister everything that had been going on with me and him over the years. I thought she had an inkling years ago as to what was going on, but she said she knew nothing, which I still find hard to believe. I couldn’t believe he had lied to me, (turns out this actually took place a few years after I had asked him) and was heartbroken. I called him very drunk, and spouted down the phone at him how much he had deceived me and used me etc etc.

the next morning I woke up and he had sent me a message saying he never meant to hurt me, and didn’t want to lose me but cant do anything to change my mind if its made up. I asked him why we had never gotten together, and what he felt and everything else I could think of…. He replied saying “I love you, but im not in love with you, I haven’t felt that way about you in a long time. Yes I did want a relationship with you in the past, but it never happened. I do love you and don’t want to hurt or lose you, but I don’t want to be with you.”

> After talking on and off about things for a day, and having him say to me, I didn't want to lose you but its up to you if you don’t want to have me in your life repeatedly, I chose to deal with it. I went back to university and did exactly that. I said to myself that he must really really love her, and that I would have wanted to have been there for him when he was going through having to deal with an abortion that she apparently didn’t tell him about, and that he must be serious about her if he can take her back knowing that. Etc etc.

> I dealt with the fact that what was important was his happiness, and that we are good friends and that I don’t want to lose him either. I was By easter, I was dating a “lovely” guy (turned out to be married with 3 kids) and they had split up.

> Out of the blue one day, I received a message that said “I should have been there for you a lot more when your mum died, and im sorry”. I asked him what was wrong, and he said he was just thinking about it, and needed to say sorry. I told him that he was there plenty, and I appreciated all he did for me, and if I had made him feel otherwise I shouldn’t have, that I was wrong, and that I was lucky and thankful to have the support that I did from him, even though I didn’t show it at the time. I got back a “thank you, you don’t know how much that means to me to hear that xxx”

> That summer I went home only for 3 days as I had a work placement and we had a night together, where he said to me “ I don’t think this is a good idea as you can’t deal with things”. I asked him how he perceived me being away at uni, and he said “I miss you when you’re gone, I really do. And I wish that I had the time and the money to come and visit you up there because I have really wanted to come and see you. But I can’t lie, I wish you hadn’t have gone and wonder if things would have been different if you had never have gone”.

I asked him if he thought the distance has kept us apart and he said yes. I agreed with him, and said one thing I do know, is that a long distance relationship between us would not have worked out. I would have been okay with it, but you need to have someone around you someone close by, that’s why ive never really know if ive wanted a relationship with you. Because a long distance one would be pointless. (to be honest this is true. As much as I wanted to be with him, I knew university and the distance was a huge factor and it would never have worked. So I always hoped that after uni, things would be better as the distance would not be there).

> Given all of this I went back up to uni and by October He wanted me to come down and see him when I could, so I went down. I went down, spent the night in his bed and he came onto me. I told him I didn’t think it was a good idea given that we agreed to be friends, after a conversation about how turned on he was and how he could get rid of it for an hour, we eventually fell asleep and nothing happened. the next day when I left, he sent me a message saying “im sorry for last night, it was out of order of me, thank you for staying strong x”

> That xmas I didn’t come home as I had an accident. We were talking a lot and again flirting with each other something chronic. in feb I went down for the yearly anniversary of my mum’s death and we ended up fooling around a bit. The next day was valentine’s day, which I don’t celebrate much as it’s the day before my mum died, but I sent him a message saying happy valentine’s day, and he sent me one back saying “I was just texting you the same thing, happy valentine’s day to you too xxx”

> On the day on my mum’s death, he sent me the following “ im sorry for not being there as much as I could have over the years, ill always be your friend, no matter what x”
> I asked what had brought that on and said thanks, and he said “I was just doing some reflecting and there are something’s I should have handled better over the years, im sorry, no more mistakes xxx”. I yet again said to him that he shouldn’t feel guilty for anything he did to support me and that all of it was appreciated.

> A few weeks after that he dropped off of the radar again and I found out he was seeing someone else. That summer my dad got very very ill and was in a coma in a different country. It was my final year of uni, and during my final exams. My sister had told me there was nothing I could do whilst he was stable but unconscious so I should do my week of exams and then fly out. During this highly stressful time, D popped back onto the scene at 11pm at night with a text saying “hey how are you”. I had deleted his number out of rage a few weeks before from him not replying to me trying to tell him about me dad so didn’t recognise the number and asked who it was, but I got a stupid answer from him “it’s the one person you knew would be seeing Indy 4 today”. I had a 9am exam I was still studying for, and ignored it. In half an hour I had gotten 3 missed calls and 5 texts , the final ones saying “okay, fine, nice knowing you, have a nice life”. I was enraged. I sent him a particularly nasty text

> “ that’s right D make everything about you again why don’t you, no matter that my dad is seriously ill in hospital or that I am in extricating pain from my accident and im am in the middle of my finals and trying to study for a 9am exam, just so long as the world stops revolving at 1130 at night to listen to you babble on about a f*cking film. You haven’t contacted me in 5 weeks, yet you cant wait more than 30 mins for a reply to a text message? “I got a reply back saying “yeah, cause I knew about all of that didn’t I. fine, have it your way, have a nice life take care.”

After my final exam and I had calmed down, I sent a message apologising to him saying he didn’t deserve that and it was wrong to take it out on him. 2 weeks later I received a message saying “I hope your dads ok”. I said thanks, but we didn’t speak for 3 months after that, until I sent a message apologising again and explaining what I was going through. He sent one back saying “im sorry too x”. Despite still loving him, and still hoping things would work out there was now a distinct change in our relationship with each other which I am still aware of. I had hoped that finishing uni would bring us closer together, but we seem to almost not know each other now which is very confusing.

> He was now with someone else called lou, and I was finished university. Things were still edgy between us, but we went to the cinema together and planned to go again the next week. That Monday I received a message saying “ I have a new number, please delete this number and I will get in touch with the new number soon”. I thought what a weird text. And left it.

4 weeks later I still hadn’t heard anything, so text his old number with a joke, looking back it was a funny message I would have sent to anyone, but was a rudy message, I got the following back “please stop sending inappropriate texts, im with my gf, delete this number and il contact you”. I didn’t know that I had done anything that wrong. I apologised but heard nothing back.

The next few times I saw him round his sister’s house, I didn't know what to think or do he hadn’t been in contact so I took that to mean I was out of his life, and didn’t know how to handle that so I went into my shell. This happened for a while until I got told I was causing and atmosphere by his sister and told to stop!. I then contacted him, and asked if he still considered us friends or if we are walking away now, and eventually I got a reply saying “I want to be friends, but you act weird every time I see you”. Bloody hell. I can’t do anything right! Things were kind of okay after that. Apparently the person he was with was very insecure and they split up over it.

> We just started getting a friendship together And things started feeling a little bit normal between us again, when I got called in for another operation in 2009.. I was worried about it, because it was to be a huge op and once again my family were not willing to help me out afterwards. D and his sister both said that they would be there for me and would help. Indeed they were, when my dad kicked me out of the house for letting a door slam 2 days before my operation. I called him, and asked if he could put me up, as he has a full house, he said he would ask his mum, and I said id ask his sister first. She offered me a place to stay, and he phoned me that night to make sure I was ok, and to talk to me. I could hear the concern in his voice, but I was so emotionally drained by the time he called, I couldn’t speak to him.

The next day he came round to see me, and we had a little talk whilst his mate was getting a lawnmower. Yet again he seemed genuinely concerned and offered to ask his mum if I could move into his old room after my operation, and so I would have someone to look after me and somewhere to stay. I had the op, and my dad calmed down and let me back into the house where I was going to be most comfortable. My dad left for holiday 2 days later. What I needed was someone to come round and check on me every so often and help take the bins out etc. both he, and his sister had said they would do it.

His latest job is funny 12 hr shifts and he apparently had a new gf over this period too, so I wasn’t surprised that he didn’t come round, but he was calling to make sure I was ok every few days. He found out id been coping alone (something I had told him, but had failed to compute properly) then made it his sole mission to try and convince me to move in with his mum where I could be taken care of properly. By that point though, I was getting on ok on my own so declined gratefully.

> come September, I was moving around nicely although still on strong medication, and he invited me to a party round his. I accepted, but went out to my cousin’s party before hand and stupidly turned up drunk. I got even more drunk, and was speaking to a girl that he works with. She had mentioned his gf in front of me and sensed there was an atmosphere when he answered her question. Drunk, I then told her what had happened between us, that in essence we are two people that love each other, but are friends because despite me wanting a relationship, he loves me but isn’t in love with me, and that would never work. She asked some questions and I answered them in relation to some of what I had said above.

Later on in the night I was talking to a guy called jo who I got along with quite well, then I went and had a conversation with someone else and met a guy called t. Before long I was drunk, and me and t were kissing each other in d's bedroom on his sofa, whilst he, and the girl I was speaking to earlier were also there. I was in my own bubble at this point and drunk, so really didn’t know much of what I was doing. (not an excuse I know) in comes jo, who looks at me as if he wants to talk, so I ask t to go and get me a drink. T goes downstairs, and jo sits next to me, says I thought we were getting along well earlier, to which I said yeah we were, and he then sticks his tongue down my throat.

I kissed him back, then stopped him, but by that time it was too late, D had seen, was out of the door, and all I heard from the landing was “don’t go in there mate she’s kissing another guy, she’s a complete weirdo and been stalking me all night too”. I was livid. I went back down and cleared things up with t, and asked what else had been said that I didn’t hear, he surmised that something was going on with me and D, and then I told him we have a past. He was ok with it, and we stayed at the party together kissing all night, until he put me in a taxi and made sure I got home ok.

The next day, D is angry at me for 1) kissing 2 of his mates one 1 min, then another the next, 2) being rowdy at the party, and 3)discussing me and him with this girl. He said apparently I told her that me and him are in love. (I can see how it would have been taken by that, but really didn’t say that at all). I apologised profusely for my bad behaviour and I told him I wasn’t happy about what I heard either, and he apologised for that saying it seems that way when you act like that and say things like that behind my back.

> The next day, he said “I thought, let’s just start afresh because you mean a hell of a lot to me, and then I hear that you upset some more people?”
>i told him I couldn’t keep on apologising, and that if he can’t accept my apology than we should call it quits, but that I was willing to talk about everything and settle things properly if he wanted to.

> He called me a few days after and said, “I want to just forget this all and move on, you do mean a lot to me and I agree it should be in the past” he then told me he had flu, and asked me to come over and keep him company, which I gladly offered to do, but as I was out of the door he said he’d prefer another day as his mum wanted to come over and spend time with him. He called a few times to speak to me that week saying how nice it would be to spend some time just hanging out together watching films etc, but he never got back to me to arrange anything.

> The following week despite being ill, he came over to collect some film memorabilia I had paid for but as a loan and had delivered. He assured me he would have the money to me by that Friday and we confirmed that 3 times that week. On the Friday, I called him and he said he would let me know what the plan was for getting it to me. He then ignored me for the rest of the day until I sent a message saying how it was unacceptable to have my generosity taken advantage of.

> He got in a huff, saying he planned to pay the next day instead, but he hadn’t let me know that. The next day, I was away, so couldn’t answer the phone to his calls asking for the account details that I had given him the day before. I got a particularly nasty message from him saying he thought I had been a b8tch in what id said yesterday, that he was ill, and that I should give him my details so he can pay the money in and be done with me and the friendship for good.

> This has gone on since October. Ive asked him for the money, he has assured me a second time he would put it in my account and it hasn’t gone in. ive then asked again and also asked for my stuff, such as my camcorder back from him too. I get nothing in reply. In November he started messaging me stupid messages. We have always liked the Friday 13th films between us, and always talked of spending a fri13th watching the whole film set. The week before 13th nov, I sent him a message saying, if you want a truce and want to hang out on fri 13th then let me know. I received nothing from him, but on the actual day, got “happy fri 13th” from him.

2 weeks later I received a message about how startrek and T4 were now available on dvd but I didn’t reply. After 2 days, he called, and I thought about answering, but decided to leave it to go to voicemail and see what he had to say. He didn’t leave a message. I sent him a message back 5 hours later saying il be in a 7 if you want to call back, sorry I missed your call but got nothing. 2 weeks later again I got another message saying he had just net james Cameron at the avatar premiere.

> I gave it a few more weeks then took some advice id gotten on here and sent him a message saying “I appreciate you have been in contact recently, but I don’t know why, I think it’s only fair you know where I stand, I want and need people on my life who know 100% that they want to be with me in mine, if that’s not you then please let me know so I can put things to rest, because anything short of that just doesn’t work for me”

> I got the following back” Na don’t worry.im tired of all the un-needed drama u put on me, im tired of all the lies and im tired of whenever you’ve had a drink these made up stories of me n u being in love somehow come out. I was just checking that you were ok.ive really enjoyed the times we’ve spent together but going forward things I feel will always be too difficult. have a nice christmas and an even better new year. take care”

> I asked him what he thought I had lied to him about, and he said “ not to me, to others about me, end of story, il give the money to my sister”
> Still no money,
> I sent him happy xmas, and he sent the same back.
> I then sent him a message on new yrs eve letting him know I was starting a masters degree away for 6 months, and that if he means he doesn’t want contact, il make sure his sis doesn’t put us in a position to have to socialise.
> I haven’t heard from him, and decided on no contact starting on jan 1st, but did waiver and wish him luck when I heard his company are closing his office soon last week and he will be made redundant saying I hope he is ok.

> This is my story, we have only had full penetrative sex a total of 5 times over the years, but fooled around together a lot more than that, mainly he has received oral from me when things have happened, but as I hope ive pointed out, there are many many times when nothing happened at all between us so its not as if it is a proper FWB if that is indeed what this is.. I don’t know what I AM to him. If its FWB, confusion or more. What I do know is that there has been a distinct feeling of change in our situation over the past yr since I finished university. We are arguing over practically nothing, and don’t seem to be sorting things out. From this, I can agree that NC is the way to go for now, and only hope that this will resolve itself and us finally get a proper chance with each other.

 
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TTT, this is a very long story that I have muddled through.
You have DRAMA galore. Deep depression,death of your mom, your own health issues, no proper support from your family, you mention no true friends, there's drinking involved on several ocassions... DRAMA galore from the age of 16 when you met him.

YOU:
sent him a message saying “I appreciate you have been in contact recently, but I don’t know why, I think it’s only fair you know where I stand, I want and need people on my life who know 100% that they want to be with me in mine, if that’s not you then please let me know so I can put things to rest, because anything short of that just doesn’t work for me”

HE:
” Na don’t worry.im tired of all the un-needed drama u put on me, im tired of all the lies and im tired of whenever you’ve had a drink these made up stories of me n u being in love somehow come out. I was just checking that you were ok.ive really enjoyed the times we’ve spent together but going forward things I feel will always be too difficult. have a nice christmas and an even better new year. take care”

You gave him money and he hasn't returned it. He said he'd give it to his sister and hasn't yet...
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After reading your saga, I don't think that No Contact is what you should be saying...rather IT'S OVER.

You need some friends and turn your life around. I hope that when you go for your degree that you focus on THAT. You have been through so much...so much pain:(((
This guy will always be a reminder of that pain, if not consciously then certainly subcon.
This guy and you need to SEPARATE... for a long time. Whew!
Auds
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TTT,
I would like to add that I can give you a few suggestions:
1. an online bereavement site:
Grief Healing Discussion Groups
2. I suggest that you edit your saga and write a few paragraphs - this is HARD to read.... SUMMARIZE
3. refocus your thoughts and read some articles on Ezine dot com by Ali Bierman or some other life coach
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This is all very difficult for you and you seem young... very hard:(
I have been through alot myself and if you would like, I can e-mail my story to you.
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That's all I have to offer, hon.
Auds
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I've just read your whole story and, I'm sorry to be brutal but, what are you doing?!! You don't say how old you are now but I'm guessing about 22 or 23. You have spent six or seven YEARS wasting your time with this guy. He's dated other women, told you he's not in love with you, told you he doesn't want to be with you and still you keep going back when he asks you, keep pushing for a relationship, keep trying to kiss him etc etc.

Obviously your pasts are hugely intertwined and he's been there (and not been there) for some horribly painful parts of your life but it seems to me that the best thing you can do is cut ALL CONTACT forever with this guy and move on with your life. If he was just a friend and there were no feelings/sexual history involved fair enough but you HAVE got feelings for him and you have had a sexual history with him and that's what is muddying the waters. You can't undo the past and you can never be friends with this man until YOU have moved on emotionally.

It seems to me that you really want him to suddenly see the error of his ways and declare his undying love for you - that he made a mistake with all these other women and you are the only woman he wants. Sorry to be harsh but it's not going to happen. He's never going to say that to you.

I know he owes you money and I can see how either you or he are going to use that as a reason to make contact again but what you really need to do is just forget about it, chalk it down to a mistake and move on.

What you've both been doing for the past seven years is creating drama after drama after drama and I think you're seriously addicted to it now. Him, not so much. It seems he's told you several times that he's had enough of the drama, tries to get things back on an even keel and then you create more drama.

Don't you want a guy to cherish you, make you feel special and want only you? Don't waste another seven years of your life on a man who's not going to do that. Having no contact and moving on will be hard but one day you'll look back and say, "thank god!".

I'm sorry if this reply sounds harsh but you're an intelligent woman (you're doing a Masters degree) and I'm frustrated that you've wasted so much of your life, emotion and energy on a man who's never going to give you what you want. You said you consulted a counsellor to get over your grief, maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea if you consulted one to try and break the pattern/drama you've set up with D. You deserve to be happy and fulfilled, not chasing a fantasy that can never be.

 
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Daisy, that's an amazing reply to TTT.
The UK girls really rock!!! You should all get together and meet up like we did in AC.
Auds
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Hi TTT

Auds and Daisy have both given excellent advice.

It sounds like such a cliche, but the most important relationship you have in this life is the one with YOURSELF. Once you get to grips with that one, amazing things start to happen.

You have been through a lot, and it's really good to read that you are trying to do something about it by seeing a counsellor. One of the many positive things about letting this guy go is that it will free up time for you to work on YOU.

Again, this sounds like a real line, but honestly, it comes from experience. The last 'relationship' I came out of broke my heart, but one of the positive things that came out of it all, once I had stopped crying, was the realization that there were A LOT of things in my life that needed sorting out (not least my poor self-image), and my 'pretend' relationship with that man had partly been a distraction; I'd kidded myself into thinking that being in love and burying myself in him would cure all the other problems. WRONG-O!!

Take care and keep posting x

 

thanks for all the comments,

no i dont find them harsh at all. as you can imagine i am immersed in this situation and cannot see things in black and white which people sometimes need.
i do have some very very good friends, however, they are now strewn across the country and the nearest close friend apart from D, and his sister, is 50 miles away. its hard to meet people when you have no miney to go out, and cant work cause your ill as im sure you can appreciate. i spent a very long time at university, and have amazing friends up there, but they are very far away!.

not 22, but 27. and yes, he has dated and been inlove with other people in that time. so have i. i mentioned 2 men that i have dated during that time because they are the ones who have had a big impact on me. i fell for the married one big time, until his wife turned up on my doorstep which was a huge shock and i ended things. I also have dated since i have returned from university, but it has not turned into anything serious,i even dated the guy from the party for 3 months, but we split up aswell when he made a horrid comment about my upbringing and never apologised.
i am trying to get out there and meet new people, and i do find that when i am with other men, it is easy to date and not have my feelings for him interfere. saying that, maybe its easy because i dont love him. who knows!

as for the drama. i do try to keep things on a sensible level. there was large amounts of insecurity in the past which i can agree were dramatic. i cant help all of the things that have happened to me which im sure you all understand. they are dramatic, and i do turn to people for help. the day my father kicked me out i thought if i should be getting him involved or not by telling him, but remember how upset he has been each time i have kept things like that from him.
as for the recent drama, i feel manipulated by him alot, and i feel alot of the drama is caused by him. i dont like it one bit. i tried to calm the situation recently down and not add to the drama, i thought i was doing just that, but that has been perceived as drama by you all so it obviously isnt.
i wonder, if people could outline exactly what the drama issues are from the above, and how it should have been handled for me.

I understand what you say as to why i would try to be with someone who says he doesnt want to be with me. what can i say!. he is known to lie about things to get out of uncomfortable situations, and alot of the time his actions say one thing, his words another. in the past he has even admitted that to me, saying he was scared of what could happen, or what i would think if he was honest so he lied about how he felt. i know i cant change him, or ultimately what he wants etc. and im not looking for a knight mounted on horseback proclaiming his undying love for me (though it would be nice, lol). things like all of this give hope.
also knowing that the feelings are there, but timing has been off, or as you say drama has played a part, is difficult to handle. because they are relatively simple things to fix with a bit of work that i am not afraid to put in!. as i say, ive already become more concious of what i say and when. for the past 4 years i now watch my words and make sure that whenever i am asking for something or saying how i feel, i do it in a more diplomatic and understanding way, and not in a way that sounds dismissive or demanding. because i know how badly he felt when i didnt all those years ago. and it has made a difference.
I would like to be able to communicate better with him, and think that alot of the drama that is there, is because the communication is weak, where it previously was strong. we used to have amazing conversations, and tell eachother pretty much everything. now i am afraid to open my mouth sometimes incase i upset him. i was very wary of that when i was trying to tell him how upset i was that he let me down over the money. i tried to be diplomatic, and stand up for myself, and he said it came out b*tchy. thats what started this whole thing off again! neither of us wanted to back down, and when i did eventually, and felt bad because i felt i had been manipulated into doing so, he was unresponsive for a long time. then responded as if he was avoiding the subject, which upset me.

 

audrey,
i would summerize, if i had the foggiest clue where to start and finish! sorry!
i did want people to help and go through it and edit for me, and was advised me to keep the length til SM could go through.

if you wouldnt mind, maybe you could go through it again and summerise what you think is important and what isnt. to me it all is you see.

i do appreciate how difficult it would be to read, because it took me over 5 hours to write last night, but i do feel better after it. infact, i came away from writing it, with two feelings:
1) thinking that maybe i should have been more expressive of my feelings towards him at times and maybe i c8cked up by not doing so.
i have never thrown how i feel about him in his face, but i nave never told him face to face in a positive environment. it has always been through text that i have said how i feel, and even then, in a slightly negative context, eg, when i was saying this is how i feel and we should not talk anymore etc etc.

2) there is so much that has happened i cant beleive he has stayed by me as long as he did, that i cant blame him for wanting to leave as he deserves better and so do i, and maybe it is for the best.

that still doesnt make it any easier though! id take the fix if there was one that would work!

xxx

 
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TTT,
You found a great link and mentioned it on the other thread.
Now it's time that you write it all down again in a timeline.
Example:
YEAR - Age(yours & his) - TOP 3-5 IMPACTING EVENTS (yours & his)
Put it into an Excel spreadsheet if you have to...
Have your articles by your side and start with the facts and then do the top 3-5 events.

I cannot do that for you b/c this is your story and only you know all the details of the dynamics of your relationship and those within your family and his.

We'll get to your/his feelings later...
Please do this.
Auds
xoxox

 

auds, thanks, makes sense totally.
never thought of doing a timeline etc about it all.

il get on it asap for you.

xx